Disable partial sharing

[_-0-_ 0]

1) Why is not possible switch on checking TTH ending download? (It`s replace by checking of TTH fragments?)

2) IN CASE OF SEGMENT DOWNLOADING ARE PARTIAL FILES SHARED? If yes, it`s very dangerous option - users don`t know it. In any states with strict law is problematical impossibility choice of files to share.

StrongDC have this bug from time of segment downloading implementation. Exist one help only - disconnecting of segment downloading.

[Goralf 0]

In case of segment downloading are partial files shared?

Yes - and it makes good sense. It is the same type of file sharing system as BitTorrent where you start sharing the files you download even before they are finished.

The partial files are obviously only shared with other people using other clients who support this feature. The users would know if they read the specifications for the client before downloading it, because it is stated there.

Solution: Use another client to download porn.

[Zlobomir 3]

...Solution: Use another client to download porn.

Oh, I'm so much concerned about privacy in this aspect. :thumbsup:

In a country when you are f*cked (skrewed) up at your birth and paid SErvice is too expensive and too illegal, I don't give a damn about the behaviour of my DC++.

Funny offtopic: Nanowar has a great song-cover of Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast. Ironically, 166 is also the number of Bulgarian police. Check, if you don't believe.

[_-0-_ 0]

Yes - and it makes good sense. It is the same type of file sharing system as BitTorrent where you start sharing the files you download even before they are finished.

The partial files are obviously only shared with other people using other clients who support this feature. The users would know if they read the specifications for the client before downloading it, because it is stated there.

Solution: Use another client to download porn.

Your answer and "solution" is stupid... In my country is relative complitaced author`s law, simply (inexact) tell: download of music and videos is not criminal, download of SW and upload of SW and audio/video files is criminal. But - is possible to find videos and music, that is not protected by our author`s law (not necessarily uninteresting or old things - it`s question of relative complicated law`s interpretation).

By many cases I can download files without law violence - but i must have possibility of choice my shared files.

I understand, that is needful set up balance between download and upload, but it`s possible by compensatinon increment of download streams by automatic increment of upload slots for choiced share (e.g.).

In the time of BSA, FBI and police activities and increasing pressure of distributing corporations is necessary "model of intelligent behaviour".

Notice: Can you quote part of specifications, where is writen, that in case of segment downloading you are sharing *.dctmp ?

[Crise 26]

Notice: Can you quote part of specifications, where is writen, that in case of segment downloading you are sharing *.dctmp ?

You are never sharing .dctmp, not by the full meaning of the word anyway... (as they never come up on search results, nor filelist)

and there really is no specs for partialing, not in official level anyway, as only very limited ammount of mods support this...

Partialing clients (that do it without kad): StrongDC, LDC, PWDC, IceDC, ApexDC. you guys know any more?

[AddictedToChaos 1]

Oh, I'm so much concerned about privacy in this aspect.

In a country when you are f*cked (skrewed) up at your birth and paid SErvice is too expensive and too illegal, I don't give a damn about the behaviour of my DC++.

Funny offtopic: Nanowar has a great song-cover of Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast. Ironically, 166 is also the number of Bulgarian police. Check, if you don't believe.

Huh, Nanowar. Very funny project. :(

[_-0-_ 0]

You are never sharing .dctmp, not by the full meaning of the word anyway... (as they never come up on search results, nor filelist)

and there really is no specs for partialing, not in official level anyway, as only very limited ammount of mods support this...

Partialing clients (that do it without kad): StrongDC, LDC, PWDC, IceDC, ApexDC. you guys know any more?

I understand, but for court is sufficient proof part of relevant file / time / IP (data from "enemy organisation`s client and from providers`s log), proxy using is problematic...

In my coutry was case this type...

BMHO is better to decrease probability of "problems". Not suggesting sharing is not good way. Fact, if is this type of sharing in "full meaning of the word" is not substatial. Important is one fact only - if is sanction more likely, or not.

Please, speculate about it.

For me is only one resoultion at the present time - disuse segment downloading.

My proposal is easy: make possible to choice sharing of partial files (exact determination of shared files or parts of shared files). Better way is choice "switch off sharing partian files". (I know, that not "in the full meaning of the word" :-)))

[Goralf 0]

Your answer and "solution" is stupid...

If you had explained your issue in more detail in your first post, you would have got a better answer (BTW, the porn part was a joke, no need to get all serious ( ).

[Lee 84]

My proposal is easy: make possible to choice sharing of partial files (exact determination of shared files or parts of shared files). Better way is choice "switch off sharing partian files". (I know, that not "in the full meaning of the word" :-)))

No, we want users to upload what they download. If that affects your copyright law, then so be it. We're not letting you leech shit off DC and upload nothing. Only leechers complain about this feature, sharers see the benefits.

If you want it turning off, disable segment downloading. Or compile source yourself... why should we add an option for just your country? :D

[_-0-_ 0]

No, we want users to upload what they download. ...Only leechers complain about this feature...If you want it turning off, disable segment downloading....

Please, look at my text once more - your view is very simplified. Leech is declinated upload, or size of share... Both is not problem (with methot, that is difficult to recognise by OP`s), but it is not my purpose.

I want possibility of choice only...

Turning off segment downloading, like mothod of suspending sharing fragments is not solution. In EU is changing author`s law state by state, everyone must adapt (find compromise between risk and gain). Several pre-setting possibilities increases chance for effective defence.

[Zlobomir 3]

If you had explained your issue in more detail in your first post, you would have got a better answer (BTW, the porn part was a joke, no need to get all serious ( ).

As for turning off partial file sharing, I also agree, but the option should be "sharing on" by default.

@ _-0-_ : What about Peer Guardian? But this silly game of cat and mouse with copyrighters is ridiculous. I dare to say we are an enormous community and it is up to us to change the rules, because rules must suit the community, not the other way around. We could dispute in other topic whether the nowaday's production deserves the money they ask, whether the producers are not already useless fat sharks, etc.

Off: I haven't got serious, although things are exactly so. And if you know ANY porn producing house, which has turned to the court, PM me pls. Quality always sells enough. :D

Edited August 4, 2006 by Zlobomir

[Lee 84]

Turning off segment downloading, like mothod of suspending sharing fragments is not solution. In EU is changing author`s law state by state, everyone must adapt (find compromise between risk and gain).

If we give users an option to disable partial sharing, they will do so. Leechers will use the client too, and I'm not for that at all. Why can't you disable segment downloading?

[DeathStalker77 0]

No, we want users to upload what they download. If that affects your copyright law, then so be it. We're not letting you leech **** off DC and upload nothing. Only leechers complain about this feature, sharers see the benefits.

If you want it turning off, disable segment downloading. Or compile source yourself... why should we add an option for just your country?

Sorry, Lee, but that is plain bull****. You bitch about "leechers" wanting to turn off unfinished files that they may not want to share (for WHATEVER reason!) but you will allow a frigging SPEED LIMITER!!!??? There are FAR more "leechers" out there who ABUSE a limiter function!

Bottom line, as I said in Strong's Forum, WHAT I share and WHEN is UP TO ME - period. Don;t give me that lame bull**** excuse of crappy shares (I happen to share over 150GB). Users with crappy LIMITED speeds are far worse than not being able to get a few segments of someone else's unfinished file. What it with your freaking ego trip on wanting to CONTROL what others share???

[Crise 26]

Sorry, Lee, but that is plain bullshit. You bitch about "leechers" wanting to turn off unfinished files that they may not want to share (for WHATEVER reason!) but you will allow a frigging SPEED LIMITER!!!??? There are FAR more "leechers" out there who ABUSE a limiter function!

Bottom line, as I said in Strong's Forum, WHAT I share and WHEN is UP TO ME - period. Don;t give me that lame bullshit excuse of crappy shares (I happen to share over 150GB). Users with crappy LIMITED speeds are far worse than not being able to get a few segments of someone else's unfinished file. What it with your freaking ego trip on wanting to CONTROL what others share???

Speed limiter marks tag and has strict limitations, so it cannot be abused. Oh and I couldn't care less what you said in StrongDC++ forums, and i sure hope not to see any more of posts like the above one.

Learn to control your anger, and if you need to bitch to any staff member please do it in PM from now on...

[DeathStalker77 0]

Speed limiter marks tag and has strict limitations, so it cannot be abused. Oh and I couldn't care less what you said in StrongDC++ forums, and i sure hope not to see any more of posts like the above one.

Learn to control your anger, and if you need to bitch to any staff member please do it in PM from now on...

Crise, your response says nothing about the issue. Lee and other keep claiming (in the StrongDC forum) about things that "can't be done", "not technically possible" and other such lame responses.

The point is, and remains, that I as the user, *no one else* has the right to determine WHAT I share and WHEN I share it. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. ANY other excuse is just that, an excuse. Only some pathetic ego-trip, power-monger, control-freak would care otherwise.

[Crise 26]

Crise, your response says nothing about the issue. Lee and other keep claiming (in the StrongDC forum) about things that "can't be done", "not technically possible" and other such lame responses.

I never bothered to fully read those topics, because they went to complete flaming in the end... (but if they said it's not technically possible, that's not true)

The point is, and remains, that I as the user, *no one else* has the right to determine WHAT I share and WHEN I share it. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. ANY other excuse is just that, an excuse. Only some pathetic ego-trip, power-monger, control-freak would care otherwise.

Maybe so, but there won't be an option to disable it since if there was everyone/most would disble it and then there would be no point in having such feature in the first place...

[DeathStalker77 0]

I never bothered to fully read those topics, because they went to complete flaming in the end... (but if they said it's not technically possible, that's not true)

Maybe so, but there won't be an option to disable it since if there was everyone/most would disble it and then there would be no point in having such feature in the first place...

I would honestly rather not have the feature entirely, but I think it would at least be a comprimize for it to be an adjustable setting. It's never been said that *every* user hates it or would not use it, I'm sure there are many who would use it. To me, it's like saying you *must* have X number of slots open past 1, just because; or a better example would be saying you can *never* download anymore from a user whose speed is below 1k, That again, wiould be wrong (I don't know if Apex transferred the code directly from StrongDC, as that's something he currently has implemented that you CANNOT turn off. I'm sorry, I would rather get the file I need from the only lucky user still truely on DialUp at 700B, than to NEVER be able to get it at all. Disconnecting or flagging Slow Users is something that should be done by the user.

A comprimise in that area might be to FLAG users as SLOW USERS, with an indication to the speed (maybe with color or an icon), that way the user can decide whether to remove them entirely or live with the slow transfer.

[Big Muscle 1]

live with slow transfer ? and then lives with 10 slow transfers and eat all slots in the network so nobody can download anything? You just don't realize that DC is about sharing and not about downloading!!!

[Crise 26]

live with slow transfer ? and then lives with 10 slow transfers and eat all slots in the network so nobody can download anything? You just don't realize that DC is about sharing and not about downloading!!!

I completly agree, and i believe so will Lee and all the other members of Staff for that matter...

DeathStalker77: Also if this topic will start to look like it's going anywhere near the way the topic over at SDC forums went, I don't hesitate to lock this topic.

[irish 0]

live with slow transfer ? and then lives with 10 slow transfers and eat all slots in the network so nobody can download anything? You just don't realize that DC is about sharing and not about downloading!!!

Nobody asked for my opinion, so I'm giving it.

I think that as long as users are sharing stuff, that should be all that is required of them. I don't believe they

have to share everything they download. Well okay, if a user comes into a hub with 3 gigs of shares, and 2 months later he still has the exact same share, I'd be in interested to know why.

Do I do this? No, well not unless I'm short of space

I like to share and I like to download

As for slow downloads, sometimes I disconnect and sometimes i don't.

M

[Lee 84]

Nobody asked for my opinion, so I'm giving it.

I think that as long as users are sharing stuff, that should be all that is required of them. I don't believe they

have to share everything they download. Well okay, if a user comes into a hub with 3 gigs of shares, and 2 months later he still has the exact same share, I'd be in interested to know why.

Do I do this? No, well not unless I'm short of space

I like to share and I like to download

As for slow downloads, sometimes I disconnect and sometimes i don't.

M

I'm sorry, but the most popular P2P protocols/clients ensure users share files they download. We want to adopt that, and introduce it to DC. The partial sharing feature allows dc users to download files faster, especially when we re-introduce the super-seeding technique. :)

[balder 1]

I just wanted to pipe up here and say that (currently) in the EU it is not illegal to share partiale files unless you country has explicitly made it illegale. the EU courts are currently deciding on this and will probably take about ten years to come to a decition. I would also like to saye that i do not belive any eu county has made it illegle to share partial files. It is only illeagle to share completed files.

I will try and find some documentation to back up this post. however i have another 40 posts to read as i have been away for a couple of days (you have been busy). and then going to get some lunch. will try and back upmy commments within about an hour. however i wold like to say that it is genreally quite hard to prove a lwas dosn't exist. if you are going to flame me please provide infomation on where the law dose exsist.

Dont know antything about countries outside of EU sorry

[Zlobomir 3]

I'm sorry, but the most popular P2P protocols/clients ensure users share files they download. We want to adopt that, and introduce it to DC. The partial sharing feature allows dc users to download files faster, especially when we re-introduce the super-seeding technique.

Agreed, but please consider that DeathStalker77 is right for his own. In BG the situation is quite similar already. So this is not only one country.

And a leecher can always find a way to be a leecher.

The fact that he is discussing, rather than changing his client, makes me think he doesn't want to misuse the option. Also, I think we might lose users if this remains so. And probably user-user traffic is not so important as country-country traffic. I could comment in detail, but advise whether appropriate. :)

[Pothead 0]

Turning off segment downloading, like mothod of suspending sharing fragments is not solution.

It stops partial sharing, so it is a solution. Most people on the DC network don't have a multisouce client anyway, so what's the harm in turning it off, if having it on means you are breaking the law in your country. ?

[Lee 84]

It stops partial sharing, so it is a solution. Most people on the DC network don't have a multisouce client anyway, so what's the harm in turning it off, if having it on means you are breaking the law in your country. ?

True, case closed.