hawkwing

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    Now, Hawkwing, I never thought I'd be saying this either... but I will. You see, we have no obligations of any kind towards users that choose to use ApexDC++. We aren't even required to guarantee that our software is fit for usage for some particular purpose. In other words we aren't required to provide any kind of warranty or even listen to our users for that matter if we don't want to.

    To put it in other, less fancy, words: what we choose to do with ApexDC++ is entirely up to us as long as we comply with the terms of GNU GPL.

    In this case we have made a choice regarding upgrades to the most recent version of ApexDC++. Whether it happens now or after one bug fix version is also a choice we have to make. When making these choices it's also by our choice whether we decide to inform the users about our plans in advance or not. Much in the same way that it is your choice to either use ApexDC++ or not to use it.

    The reasons why we have made our choices have been given earlier in this topic and we see them as perfectly reasonable but if you don't you always have the freedom of making the choice to use another client as I already stated above.

    I'm not saying you have those obligations. I'm not saying you have to do what I say.

    All I am trying to do is give you honest, upfront feedback as a user about the decisions you and the development team have made.

    If you disagree with something someone says, tell them what you think. BUT BE POLITE ABOUT IT. I've been polite to you and everyone else here. Twice now you've insinuated that I'm stupid or that I don't understand some -unstated- point you want to make. Whether or not I understood this or knew, you should at least give people the benefit of the doubt and tell them what you think they aren't understanding or don't know in a polite, non-condescending way.

    P.S.

    I realize this is the internet and all that, but there is no reason people can't be polite and civil about things.

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    Of course the upgrade is necessary regardless of personal feelings regarding older versions, said exploit was being use to ddos the hublists on dc so users couldnt find other hubs therefore bottlenecking users trying to learn dc.

    Microsoft also more or less forces an upgrade as well, Its called ending support for a older product. Any time you turn your xbox on to play a game while hooked into xboxlive it forces you to update or you cant play the game.

    ALL DC creators should force the upgrade to clients with the REF extension as well.

    Ending support for something or requiring you to patch a game when playing with other people is one thing since everyone needs to be able to see and do the same things. DC hubs are used by all kinds of people with various clients so they are going to have to be compatible with all clients.

    If people want to DDoS they will, forcing people to upgrade will NOT stop them.

    People should have the choice of whether or not to upgrade.

  3. Posted

    Regarding the matter with TLS, it doesn't make setting up any more difficult, you just forward 3 ports instead of 2 or 2 ports instead of 1 (in case you have used same port for TCP and UDP until now).

    Regarding the reported issues... there will always be issues, of course we will reconsider the decision to enforce upgrade in the light of the reported issues. That much should be obvious to anyone who realized that Lee's post was made right after release.

    Not all people have the "slots" in their router configuration to forward an additional port.

    Forcing people to upgrade, no matter what exploits were abusing in a previous version isn't not cool. People need to be able to make a choice about such things. Not even Microsoft forces you to update or upgrade.

    Specifically about your reply:

    There's no need to call anyone stupid (like you pretty much did). I tried to make it obvious that I wasn't meaning to offend or attack you. I've reread Lee's post and all it said was that you were going to eventually force the upgrade. Reconsidering the idea never came into play.

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    So if I understand what you've said correctly, you're planning to force people to update to a version of the client that requires more knowledge to set up and is already known to have issues.

    Is it just me or does that sound like a poor idea?

    I don't mean to be rude or anything, but it seems like those two things are going to cause more problems, issues, and headaches than the new version solves.